In "Clemenza", the fire burns within
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Spanish-born Pablo Heras-Casado is now one of the most influential conductors of our time: he is equally at home in historically informed performance practice and thus in Baroque music as he is in demand as a Mozart interpreter or celebrated as a specialist for modern or contemporary music. And since his Parsifal triumph in Bayreuth, he has also been internationally acclaimed as a Wagner conductor. He made his debut at the Vienna State Opera in 2021 with Monteverdi's Poppea, which was followed by his Orfeo and finally Ritorno d'Ulisse in patria every year. His conducting of the State Opera's premiere of Ligeti's Grand Macabre was equally successful - he conducted the revival in March and the new production of Clemenza di Tito shortly before. On the occasion of the premiere series, Pablo Heras-Casado spoke to Andreas Láng about what makes this last opera by Mozart so special and his personal interpretative approach to this work.
La clemenza di Tito is Mozart's last opera. What musical world do we find ourselves in here, is there such a thing as a late Mozartian style?
Yes, absolutely. In 1791, the year of his death, Mozart had achieved an extraordinary synthesis. If we look at the three great works that were composed almost simultaneously - The Magic Flute, La clemenza di Tito and the Requiem - we recognize a language that is reduced to its essence. Mozart's late work is characterized by transparency and concentration, the composition becomes leaner but emotionally deeper. There is also a heightened spiritual dimension, a meditation on forgiveness, mortality and transcendence. Even across very different genres, one also senses a remarkable freedom: Mozart completely masters the conventions, only to overcome them in an ingenious way.
And is there anything in Mozart's oeuvre that can only be found in the Clemenza?
Above all, this special balance between ceremonial grandeur and almost chamber music-like intimacy. The obbligato clarinet in Sesto's "Parto, parto" and the basset horn in Vitellia's "Non più di fiori" create a unique psychological sound world. There is also a noble restraint throughout the score, and the emotional intensity is often internalized. Yes, this combination of imperial dignity and deep vulnerability is something very specific to Clemenza.
With his Idomeneo - another seria opera - the young Mozart celebrated his great breakthrough as an opera composer. What is the difference between the two works, and how are they similar?
In Idomeneo, we encounter youthful fire and expansive theatrical energy. The French influence is also very clear: large choruses, ballet sequences, monumental dramaturgy. In Clemenza, the fire is still there, but it is directed inwards. It is less about external catastrophes and more about moral dilemmas. Both works are characterized by nobility and extraordinary vocal parts, but the Clemenza is more philosophical, more concentrated.
To what extent does Clemenza differ fundamentally from the seria operas of other composers of the time? What is, in a sense, atypical for the genre?
AlthoughClemenza is rooted in the tradition of Metastasian opera seria, Mozart transforms this tradition from within. The psychological density, for example, is atypical. The ensembles in particular are dramatically charged in a way that goes beyond the usual. And as far as the arias are concerned, which served as showpieces in many seria operas of the time, it is interesting to see how Mozart does not break with tradition but elevates it. He uses the conventions of opera seria (solemn tone, formal structures) as a framework, but introduces modern dramatic tension within this framework. The traditional form thus becomes a space for inner conflict and not just a rhetorical display.
It is often criticized that Clemenza is not consistent in terms of quality: the ensembles are regarded as great highlights of Mozart's compositional art, while the arias are rather conventional and the recitatives written by Süßmayr are considered uninspired and average at best.
I don't agree with this assessment. The ensembles are indeed magnificent, but the arias are by no means conventional when performed with their emotional complexity in mind. And as far as the recitatives completed by Franz Xaver Süßmayr are concerned, the context of urgency must be taken into account. Nevertheless, the overall architecture conceived by Mozart remains profoundly coherent. The unity of the work lies in its moral and musical development.
Speaking of development: does Mozart also trace the character development of the actors musically?
He does that, quite clearly. Sesto, for example, clearly moves harmonically into darker realms before finally finding redemption; Vitellia's music evolves from brilliance and control to fragmentation and vulnerability. Mozart traces these psychological transformations through the tonality, orchestration and density of the texture.
It is always said that Mozart does not judge his characters and loves them all. What about the specific case of Vitellia? She's not very likeable ..
Mozart does not judge, he understands. Vitellia embodies ambition, jealousy, insecurity, but also fragility. In her aforementioned rondo "Non più di fiori", however, the mask finally falls: Mozart shows us her true humanity, her innermost being, through his music. He does not absolve her, but he makes her deeply human. This complexity is what makes this character so fascinating.
"There is always a tension between public authority and private emotions. Even in moments of triumph, Mozart leaves room for fragility."
What does the Clemenza orchestra look like? Are there any special features that the listener could look out for?
The orchestra is classical in size, but the wind instruments (especially the clarinets) play a decisive role. The solo clarinet in "Parto, parto" is not just an ornament. It functions almost like Sesto's inner voice, a psychological partner - which goes far beyond the Baroque concerto tradition. Mozart integrates the concertante element into the drama itself. Yes, he experiments, but always in the service of the character and the dramaturgy.
A common Mozart narrative today likes to portray the composer as a political opponent who audibly opposes the authorities in his scores. In other words: Is Clemenza - musically speaking - more than just a commissioned opera in honor of a monarch who had offices and funds to allocate?
The idea of Mozart as a coded political dissident seems too simplistic to me. Clemenza may have been written for a coronation, but the theme of grace as the highest virtue carries ethical weight. It is therefore not empty propaganda, but a reflection on power and humanity that is still relevant.
In Die Entführung, Così, Don Giovanni and Die Zauberflöte, the overture is also thematically linked to the piece. In Figaro, at least atmospherically. Is the Clemenza overture simply a piece of music or is there any connection to the music of the plot?
From the very beginning, the overture emphasizes the solemn character of the opera, the brilliance of C major. In any case, it cannot be replaced, for example, by the overture to Idomeneo or a symphonic movement by Mozart. Its rhythmic profile and clarity prepare the moral atmosphere of the opera; the key and gestures immediately transport us into a world of authority and grandeur.
Mozart's capacity for irony is particularly evident in the Da Ponte operas. Is there anything ironic or ambiguous in the music of Clemenza?
The irony here is more subtle than in the Da Ponte operas. It is not social irony, but moral ambiguity. There is always a tension between public authority and private emotions. Even in moments of triumph, Mozart leaves room for fragility.
Are the chosen keys programmatic or simply pragmatic - in the sense that the B flat major of Sesto's "Parto, parto" aria, for example, had to accommodate the possibilities of the clarinet?
Mozart's choice of key is never purely pragmatic. Of course, instrumental possibilities, such as those of the clarinet, influence certain keys, but keys also have a fundamental expressive meaning. Thus Così fan tutte and Die Entführung as well as Clemenza begin and end in C major. And this is no coincidence: C major is associated with clarity, authority and balance. In the context of a coronation opera, it also conveys royal affirmation. Beyond the symbolism, however, it creates a sense of structural return, of the restoration of moral and musical order. Mozart's relationship to the minor keys is interesting, as he deliberately uses them sparingly in order to heighten their effect. In the Clemenza, minor keys appear in moments of crisis or moral unrest and thus reinforce the respective emotional effect. The reason why Mozart rarely uses minor keys is not because he avoids darkness, but because he integrates shadow into light. The drama ultimately arises from the contrast. When a minor key appears, it feels correspondingly unavoidable and expressive.
Today, we listen to all music in retrospect, so to speak. We listen to Mozart, for example, with a Wagner listening experience, a Puccini listening experience, a twelve-tone listening experience - at least differently from our contemporaries. As a result, however, moments in the Clemenza score that were new and unfamiliar at the time of its composition are less noticeable to us. What does that mean for a conductor like you, who also comes from historically informed baroque experience?
I think that what you say is a leap: historically informed performance goes far beyond the use of period instruments. Of course, we learn a lot about the performance techniques and aesthetics of the respective era through the use of these instruments. And that is very valuable. But ultimately, a conductor or performer must always return to the source, the score, and avoid being influenced by post-Mozart influences, as in the case of Mozart. He must approach the score as if the ink were still fresh. And so we try to bring the works to life in the best possible way - in order to achieve exactly the effect they originally had on the listener.
Do you feel more confident as an interpreter as your career years and thus years of experience increase? Or do the number of questions and question marks increase with knowledge?
Difficult to answer! There is of course a degree of experience, in my case more than thirty years, and there is a certain amount of self-confidence from this experience. But at the same time, as you rightly suggest, the questions, doubts and possibilities are constantly increasing. When I was younger, I thought that after a few years I would know the entire repertoire well and know how to deal with it. But the opposite happened. The further you delve into the material, the more complex it seems - but at the same time the more fascinating it becomes. And that drives me as a performer to study the scores again and again and to discover new levels, depths and possibilities.
As an interpreter of Clemenza Mozart, to what extent do you feel Mozart's observational gaze on you?
I am wary of such ideas! The composer is always present, but there are still interpretative decisions to be made at some point in order to bring the music to life - and you have to follow your own instincts and cultural knowledge. If I thought too much about the scrutinizing gaze of a composer, I wouldn't be able to move as a musician.